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Offline raus

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Italian plane near Rijeka, Croatia
« il: 19 Nov 2017, 21:19:40 »
oi!

After long time we found new Italian plane, and we need help. Eyewitnesses story are very different, and we don't have any document about that plane. The man who show us crash site, remember that plane came from direction of Pula, and day was 8.9.1943. He also think that he saw fire in cockpit, and saw two pilot jump from plane ????
We found just few pieces and they are mixed with other militaria part because on that hill near Rijeka was big battle between Partisans and German forces in last days of war.
I tried also look on www.cmpr.it  and found maybe just one possible match, but I'm really not sure.
Can anyone help?
thanks
Radovan

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Is that "CA" stamp sign for Caproni maybe ?

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Offline Fabio

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Re:Italian plane near Rijeka, Croatia
« Risposta #1 il: 19 Nov 2017, 23:42:04 »
Great work Raus!

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Offline Freddy

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Re:Italian plane near Rijeka, Croatia
« Risposta #2 il: 20 Nov 2017, 09:40:23 »
It could be really difficult to identify that plane having only that few pieces but I'm convinced that you may be right considering a Ca 311 or another type of the same series.
Obviously, if it was one of the quite numerous a/c that left Yugoslavia or northern Italy after the armistice, when many crews tried to escape to reach italian bases in territories under allied control, then the problem could be really difficult to resolve.
A certain number of those a/c simply disappeared because crashed somewhere at sea or on the mountains, shot down by german or also allied fighters, by AA fire or even because of technical problems. Many crews took off without checking the plane or with insufficent fuel hoping to have luck.
About those planes, little or even nothing is known because nobody registered their loss in those times due to the chaos caused by the armistice.

A little help could come from knowing what units were based in the Pula area at that time. Most likely you have already checked, but I will try to include the list anyway.

At September 8, 1943.

The 119ª Squadriglia - LXXII Gruppo O.A. (Osservazione aerea) - 19° Stormo - was at Alture di Pola with Caproni Ca 311, Ca 314 and Fiat Br 20.

The 113ª Squadriglia - LXIII Gruppo O.A. (Osservazione aerea) - 22° Stormo - was at Alture di Pola with Caproni Ca 314, Ca 164 and Fiat Br 20.

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Offline pipistrello

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Re:Italian plane near Rijeka, Croatia
« Risposta #3 il: 20 Nov 2017, 09:58:40 »
Not CA 18, but GA 18, for Genio Aeronautico n. 18.
It isn't useful for identification.
GA 18 means: Ditte accessori motori (engines parts).
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Offline Taras Bulba

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Re:Italian plane near Rijeka, Croatia
« Risposta #4 il: 22 Nov 2017, 16:00:18 »
On July 31, 1943 a Ca.314 belonging to the 119th Squadriglia O.A. (reconnaissance) based in Pola was shot down between Josipdol and Ostarije. Could it be? It should be the last known plane lost, and hardly an Italian plane on September 8, 43 would have gone to east.

Offline Taras Bulba

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Re:Italian plane near Rijeka, Croatia
« Risposta #5 il: 25 Nov 2017, 17:16:02 »
I have consulted some books: the strategic points of Pola were occupied by sailors of the Kriegsmarine during the day of September 11, 1943 and at 9 o'clock in the evening the troops of the 71st German division began to arrive from Trieste, during that same day small partisan groups started to fire shots along the perimeter of city defenses. Fiume was occupied by the Germans only on 14 September and from September 8 it became the destination of various Italian units, that under attack by chetniks and partisans, were withdrawing.